I had an entertaining chat with Pen for Hire host Matthew Harms not long ago, and he’s posted it on YouTube so that you, too, can be entertained. (Well, I hope you’re entertained. If you’re not, I guarantee your ticket price back.) You can see it here:
Or, if that doesn’t work for you, here: https://youtu.be/6SyXPmqqtq8
Post your comment before you lose your train of thought. (Mine already left the station.)